You may find some do and some don't. I think wider orbs in general, especially with minor aspects, are like a background influence. But many people I know with very wide orbed conjunctions, for instance, feel that these the most powerful aspect are very prominent in their lives. There is also a difference between a wide orbed aspect on its own, and one tied into a stellium for instance. It all depends. And it's important to look for themes in a chart too, in which case wider orbed aspects may just reinforce an existing theme that is recognisable to you.
Having said all that, the wider the orb usually the less prominent the aspect is in your personality and life. That's generally how it works. Originally Posted by MJ There is also the guideline that a larger orb can have a more "present" effect at least in some situations.
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Okay so in terms of the Geminism this essay would be somewhat fragmentary, eclectic, informational, a confluence with particulars. The Jupiter Gemini won't be able to get to an exceedingly Broad Picture in traditional terms, but instead it would look more like a the Broadness of Particularity and how its stream of language is connected up to another bigger structure, is part of the larger structure, but designates it as a particular field of the structure that its alluding to.
This in traditional terms would be a very weak field, the Bigger Picture not really even present. Last edited by gen6k; at AM. With such a tight conjunction of the two heavy bodies, they acquire additional power as they are yoked or in union. They carry more weight than they would singly In your chart the conjunction is partile to 05 minutes of arc , so exceptionally powerful.
Venus is in her fall. In addition to the bare-bones evaluation of these planets relative positions, you should also check the conditioning of both Saturn ruler of Capricorn and Mercury ruler of Virgo. Are either of these planets in aspect to the trine?
Also, is the trine brought to perfection by translation of light? The Moon would be the most likely planet to perform that function here assuming the motion of Venus is around her normal mean velocity although Mercury or Sun could also do that. A third consideration in evaluating this trine is whether or not there are other, closer aspects that would overshadow the trine.
Also, are either of the two planets on or very near an angle? If so, the orb can be extended as they acquire power and influence therefore "reach" for that reason. Are Uranus and Neptune retrograde, and therefore in mutual separation from Venus, thus weakening their contact? Those are the questions I would consider in assigning a proper orb to this trine. I have just cast an approximate chart for 13 October the chart is accurate for time, but not for location , so here are some answers to those questions: Whether the pattern of planetary distribution for the whole chart is considered to be a Bundle or a Bowl up to the judgment of the astrologer , Venus is the Leading Planet.
She is raised to superlative power in this horoscope for that reason. And for the same reason, I would allow her some extra latitude in any aspect -- she is very powerful and in fact is the predominant planet in this chart. Venus beholds a close but separating sextile to Pluto, and she is conjunct the Moon, who has just passed over the sign line into Libra, which is ruled by Venus; Venus rules both Sun and Moon, and is awarded even more power as directly controlling the Lights.
The position of both Lights in Libra re-emphasizes the power of Venus and particularly her role in relationships and dealings with the not-self, with efforts at harmonization and balance. I would, without any reservations, consider the trine to be effective The ruler of Venus, Mercury, is energized by conjunction to Mars who is strong in his own domicile and Saturn, ruler of the Capricorn pair, is also in domicile Aquarius and trine the Sun although square Pluto who is also empowered by domicile. I wonder which sign is rising? Does that directly affect the evaluation?
If birth occurred between 88 and degrees west longitude, the Ascendant is most likely Taurus, which makes Venus not only the leading planet but also lord of the horoscope, increasing her power over the life greatly. To study the question of orb of aspect, it would be best to observe the effects of transits over natal positions and determine for yourself what you consider to be effective orb -- rather than learning by rote from a book. We should keep in mind that the ancient astrologers did not use orb of aspect at all, but considered a planet in 1 degree of Virgo to be in trine with a planet in 30 degrees of Capricorn.
When someone says "traditional orbs", just which tradition are they referring to? Marc Edmund Jones, one of America's greatest astrologers, allowed orbs of 10 degrees for all planets; the narrower orbs in use by many astrologers today did not come into fashion until around the middle of the 20th century. Last edited by greybeard; at PM. Originally Posted by greybeard. Attached Images mybirthchart. Saturn takes on strong Accidental dignity here, exactly on the western horizon in his own sign. His position on the 7th cusp reinforces the predominant position of Venus, with her rulership of both Lights in Libra.
Oh, and now that I have the chart set properly, look at Mars, who along with Saturn is exactly angular. Mercury is strong, but subject to Mars. If you follow these rulership threads, aspect networks, and the power of planets as conferred by dignities you will get a very good picture of how the inner self is "wired". Mars is in his own sign, and he is powerfully angular 1 degree 33 mins. He has a lot of power or influence in the life. So it is Mars who ultimately determines the mode of action of Venus; but Venus is the planet which carries you into experience.
Meanwhile Saturn is partile conjunct the Descendant Mars and Saturn are in mundane square, which will be treated, or interpreted just as the zodiacal square. But what they do, in addition, is to bring the family heritage, concerns for land and other 4th House matters into conflict with relationships, partnerships, and exploitation of immediate opportunities These are the three dominant planets in this chart, and they are tied together in various ways.
Mars should be "read" as "Mars conjunct Mercury", but with the martial qualities being given emphasis because he is more powerful than Mercury on two counts: angularity and domicile; he is lord of Mercury. A hotbed of Puritanism back in the day. Oh boy Here comes Virgo waltzing down the road. You didn't read what I said. Go back and read it again. Ancient astrologers used sign-to-sign aspects.
They did not even have "orbs". Their astrology worked. Marc Edmund Jones used orbs of 10 degrees for all the planets, except Sun 17 degrees and Moon He didn't distinguish between conjunctions powerful aspects and sextiles weak aspects. In cases where there was translation of light he would even extend those orbs. The tight and variably-sized orbs popular today didn't come into use at all until around the middle of the 20th century. They are a new development coming out of the dumb New Age fuzzy-minded "astrologers". Use your own judgment. Test things. You haven't even thought about the difference between an applying and a separating aspect.
Astrology is a system of thought. This means that it is an aid to thought, not a substitute for it. Feel free to make mistakes. The world will keep on spinning. In horary astrology aspects do not have orbs. They are considered effective as long as they perfect before one of the planets changes sign, even if they are 22 degrees apart provided there is no interference from a third planet, or retrogradation does not interrupt the perfection. With reference to the Moon, in natal work, I allow her an orb equal to her daily motion at the time of birth.
No one taught me this. It seemed logical to me, so I use it as my starting point and then adjust according to the horoscope. Saturn was angular in the 4th, and Moon was applying from the 9th. Based solely on that wide-orbed aspect, I made a "prediction" that caused him to nearly fall out of his chair The test of orb is Is it effective?
Can you see its effects in the personality and life? How did we know you were born at Sandy? A particular horoscope is possible for only one time and one place on Earth. So it is a simple matter, given a horoscope chart, to fix that time and location. Then I went to Google maps and messed around until I located the required geographical coordinates I started with Ipswich, looked up its coordinates in wikipedia, figured which direction I needed to go to get the right coordinates, and found Girtford Halt I've lost my world map that shows that stuff. If the horoscope can only apply to one time and place, it follows that it only applies to the unique individual born at that time and place a Moment in spacetime.
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Last edited by greybeard; at AM. You know, I'm strongly of the opinion that it's absurd to adopt a fixed rule that is supposed to apply to everyone: the real question is, do some of your. Last edited by Frisiangal; at PM. Reason: getting quote boxes right A horoscope is not about "discovering yourself" or "feeling it". The horoscope is what it is, and an astrologer should be able to "see what it says" independently.
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In a counseling situation you naturally get a litte more into the "what it feels like at this moment" and deal with that, adjusting your interpretation. I am 70 years old. I have lived out most of my horoscope. The horoscope is a map of your destiny. It doesn't ask you how you feel about it.
My life has unfolded as my horoscope indicated it should; I was not consulted in the matter. Progressions and directions do not change the natal chart and its indications. Sextiles, like trines, point to some talent and ease.
While trines come so naturally to people that they might have to be reminded of their own talents or tendencies, sextiles are a little more overt to the native. These are the talents that people appreciate in themselves. They may be more inclined to notice and work on these talents.
Sextiles are communicative and relationship-friendly aspects. They point to energies that are capable of being directed. Sextiles reveal the potential for intelligent use of the energies. Tension is necessary in order to stimulate action, but too much tension translates to stress. The planets involved in a square are acting at cross purposes.
However, squares force us out of complacency and get the ball rolling. Squares are often more difficult when we are young, as these aspects force us to grow and learn our lessons. The Trine: Planets in trine support each other. Trines, by nature, are accepting. They allow us to accept others, ourselves, and situations.
The talents that trines offer a native are so natural that they are almost unconscious. However, these talents are second nature and completely natural. Another man with Venus square Neptune may have similar qualities and may possess a strong desire to accept his partner blindly, but doing so is not as natural as the first man. He has to work on it and might come up against difficult situations in which he feels duped or abused by his partners as a result of that acceptance.
Therein lies the key to the meaning of this aspect: relationship. People with oppositions seek out others as if to mirror their own internal struggles. They learn about themselves through interactions with others. Very often, oppositions cause us to swing from one side to the other and we feel torn. Oppositions represent a state of divided loyalties. Inner discontent, uncertainty, and insecurity can be a result.
While a square is urgent and courageous, an opposition is unsure and wavering. When we use our oppositions correctly, we are more willing to consider the other side and we can be adept negotiators. The expression of the trine is very natural and automatic, while the energies created with the sextile are things that can be drawn upon if need be. With trines, the energies tend to flow naturally into constructive channels, and with sextiles, a conscious effort is required to push the energies into constructive channels. Difference between oppositions and squares: Squares create the kind of tension that demands action.
Oppositions also create tension, but natives generally seek out others in relationships in order to work out that tension! Note that planets in opposition generally occur with compatible sign elements, while squares generally occur between signs that are considered incompatible by element. The closer the aspect, the more unconscious and habitual it is likely to be. Interestingly, I have found that we tend to identify more with aspects with wider orbs.